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Friday, August 11, 2006  

Terror Plot Foiled?


The big news of the day is the vast terrorism plot allegedly foiled by the British. Evil Islamofascists (as Bush calls them) were going to blow up a dozen planes over the Atlantic with liquid explosives, etc. At the gym tonight they had FOX News on one TV and it was predictably-breathless coverage, with the sort of non-stop fear-mongering required to keep Republicans loyal to the ever-expanding, completely-unaccountable war on terror.

In my time on the elliptical machine I saw two different "experts" (neither had any credentials displayed that I saw) talking about how this proves Bush has been correct in his every policy decision, and how we clearly need to keep fighting in Iraq and how the war on terror will have peaks and valleys and how it will continue for another decade or two. It being FOX no other points of view were presented, and as always when faced with such flawed logic, I wanted to talk to the TV.

What does the war/civil war in Iraq have to do with stopping terrorists in London, other than diverting resources away from places they could be of actual defensive help? Furthermore, what's going to end terrorism in 10 or 20 years, when in the last 5 years the US has done nothing but increase it? We invaded Afghanistan, kicked over a few stone houses, and then left without finding Osama (who was in Pakistan all along), and without creating a strong country, which has allowed the Taliban to regain control of major regions. We couldn't do the job in Afghanistan because we had to run off to Iraq to seize those WMDs that did not exist, and as a bonus we booted the totalitarian-but-secular ruler, as our lack of post war planning turned the stable, Osama-hating nation into a civil war-ripped nation that's almost certain to evolve into an Iran-friendly, Islamic state with strong support for the sort of terrorists who try to use liquid explosives to blow up planes over the Atlantic.

More recently we're the sole country on earth backing backed Israel during its invasion of Lebanon, a misadventure that's done nothing to destroy the terrorist organization Hezbollah, while doing a great deal to killing hundreds of innocent Lebannese and unify the Arab world behind the sort of terrorists who launch missiles into cities across Israel when they're not busy planning to use liquid explosives to blow up planes over the Atlantic.

I'm not even arguing (not in this post, at least) why these things were done, or saying there weren't some compelling reasons to do them; I'm just pointing out that all the major US/Bush policies of recent years have been disasters, if their goal going in was to "fight terrorism." So what's going to change with another 10 or 20 years of these tactics, other than further radicalization of the Arab world? Meanwhile, the march of progress ensures that increasingly deadly technology will become increasingly widely available, thus making all but certain the likelihood that it will be used against civilian targets?

Those questions aside, my thought, as soon as I heard about the foiled plot, (which certainly seems to be legit, as more details emerge) was not just to wonder if it was real, but to wonder how many people believed it was real, thanks to all the skepticism years of Bush's lies have implanted in our brains. I'm not the strawman wingnuts like Ann Coulter inflate when they need a target for laughable comments like those in her latest column:
Democrats don't oppose the war on terrorism because they hate Bush: They hate Bush because he is fighting the war on terrorism. They would hate him for fighting terrorists even if he had a "D" after his name.
As always with Coulter, there's that, "She's not serious with that lunacy, is she?" I mean really, is there anyone in the US not wearing a tinfoil hat who doesn't think terrorism is a real issue that must be opposed? Of course not; it's just that in the fictional world Coulter and other demagogues of her ilk exist in, if you disagree with Bush's policies in his GWoT, you must actually want the terrorists to win.

Getting back on topic, my question was about the latest announcement of some vast, horribly-lethal terrorist plot. It certainly sounds real in the news items, but since all of them source from the US or British governments, the same people who guaranteed us that Saddam had WMDs galore, and that they knew right where they were, and that Iraq would welcome liberating US soldiers with rose petals, and that there was no history of ethnic strife in the country... yeah.

At this point, after years of Bush's Chicken Little crying wolf act, declaring terror alerts every time he needs a bump in the polls, disregarding actual homeland security issues, using terrorism as a political weapon, over-stating every minor event without ever correcting it afterwards, etc, you've got to be skeptical, and just because this one might be the real thing, will that just embolden them in their next lie/exaggeration?

I'd like to see a national poll, with questions like, "When you hear news from some US agency that they've foiled a terrorist plot, do you believe everything/some/nothing that they say?"

I have no idea what the results would be, and I think the skeptical % would be depressingly low, but it would be interesting to find out. Of course the real issue is that we're ruled by men so cynical and power mad that they've twisted this whole war on terror around to the point that we don't even believe the good news. With any luck the upcoming congressional elections will start to rectify that, if Democrats get a majority in either house, gain subpoena power, and return some semblance of checks and balances to American government. I'm not getting my hopes up, but Lamont over Lieberman was certainly an auspicious beginning.

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Asking such politically charged questions in polls will prove nothing, though.

People will answer 'no' even if they are skeptical, because they don't want to appear anti-american or anti-democratic or whatever the buzz word of the moment is for people-who-go-disagree-with-what-the-president-does.


I have very little faith in polls at all, to be honest. The last election here, we had polls that went as far as 10% in either direction in favour of either of the two main parties, with the minor parties having noticable shares of seats in parliament. Most of the polls predicted that National would win.

In the end, it was very close, with Labour winning out by a couple of % and the minor parties getting about 50-60% of what the polls showed.

All of these polls apparently had margins of error within 2-4% as well, yet they all were so far off the mark with the final election results, far more innacurate than any other year has been. Political commentators noted that this was probably due to a very large regional divide - those in small towns and farming regions voted for National, those in the cities voted for Labour, and the poll results simply reflected which part of the population was more heavily sampled for any particular poll.


 

I have to agree with pretty much everything you just said.

The sad bit is that I've spent quite a bit of time in the middle east and most arabs are wonderful people, who don't deserve the hate and suspicion that is placed on them.

The terrorists and the like are the minority by far and what they do is terrible, but I can see that if I lived in complete poverty and all my loved ones had been killed by the violence in Iraq or by an Israeli bomb (that was sold to them by the US) I'd be pretty bitter too with America too, doesn't excuse what they are doing, but I can see why they might feel how they do.

Sadly I don't see the situation improving anytime soon and more innocent people around the world are going to suffer for it.


 

I have to say one thing...the polls that are asked whether the US govt was involved with 9/11 are now up to almost 50%. Check out infowars.com or prisonplanet.com for some fact based information on the US terror created war. Watch Terrorstorm from that site, and you decide what is real or not...


 

Please see www.infowars.com or prisonplanet.com for some truth to the matter. The information is factual, not swung like our local media. Check out Terrorstorm by Alex Jones.


 

Wonder if it's true:

http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp

...


 

Well according to this article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/, the whole thing has been hyped way out of proportion; the amount of liquid explosives required (and the hours it would take to combine them into a somewhat explosive material) are simply too much to realistically be smuggled on to a plane.

So it's very possible that despite this attack supposedly having a real root in an actual terrorist organisation, the method they were going to use (at least, the reported method) is a load of bunk. So really this is yet another exaggeration (if not flat out lie) coming from the Bush/Blair love fest, designed to do nothing more than spread FUD.


 

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