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BlackChampagne -- no longer new; improvement also in question.: Pennies Going Away?



Sunday, July 02, 2006  

Pennies Going Away?


In news I greet with lustful approval, there's another drive underway to phase pennies out of the US money supply.
A penny bought a loaf of bread in early America, but it's a loafer of a coin in an age of inflation and affluence, slowly sliding into monetary obsolescence.

For the first time, the U.S. Mint has said pennies are costing more than 1 cent to make this year, thanks to higher metal prices. "The penny is going to disappear soon unless something changes in the economics of commodities," says Robert Hoge, an expert on North American coins at The American Numismatic Society.

That very idea of spending 1.2 cents to put 1 cent into play strikes many people as "faintly ridiculous," says Jeff Gore, of Elkton, Md., founder of a little group called Citizens for Retiring the Penny.
The article doesn't mention the millions more that would be saved in labor costs and transportation fees, if we didn't have tons of pennies floating around out there, and the countless hours we'd all save no longer being stuck in grocery lines behind little old ladies with big purses and bills of $7.04.

There are people who want to keep pennies around, of course, but happily, their campaign is off to a rough start, thanks to their choice of universally-hated himbo Kevin Federline as a spokesman. No, really.

I gave my opinion on this a year ago (April 4, 2005. Scroll/find down to "I despise pennies") and rather than rewording it, I'll just quote myself.
I despise pennies and would be overjoyed if they were phased out of the US monetary system. Stop making new ones, never give old ones out in change and melt them all down into playground equipment. (Even though playground equipment these days is made entirely from plastic.) Items could still cost any amount of money, you'd just round up or down to the nearest $.05 at the cash register, and no more would those annoying copper disks clog up coin trays and cash registers.

...The only argument I've ever seen against removing pennies, other than ones from tradition or sentimentality, is that consumers would get gouged on prices as stores increased everything a few cents... it's not true. Stores would actually lower prices, since they like the psychological illusion of prices being lower than a dollar. Things would cost $.95 instead of $.99, and anyway, stores could still set prices to penny values; the total would just be rounded up or down at the register. Besides, with multiple items purchased at once and sales tax on top of that, you never pay 99 cents for something that cost 99 cents anyway.

We'd just need the penny-deletion law to mandate that cash register prices had to round up or down fairly. That way we'd break even on purchases over time, with some costing you 1 or 2 cents more, and others costing 1 or 2 cents less. Bills of 98, 99, 100, 101, and 102 cents would all be an even dollar, and 7 could round up and 3 down, or vice versa, to keep it even over all.
So anyway, we're all agreed. Now let's just hope that metal prices stay high, and that the US congress can make a wise decision based on reason and logic, rather than sentimental pandering to the American public.

In other words, it'll never happen.

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While I want them gone, I do recognize the absurdity of the argument that we're losing money producing pennies. As if more than about 1% of the billions of dollars the US government spends in a given year is financially defensible. Imagine an economist trying to measure up the pros and cons of the billions we give out in foreign aid to Egypt, Israel, and others? Or the billions we spend on "defense?"

The US subsidizes countless things for reasons ranging far beyond pure investment returns, and of those the penny is one of the smallest, in both size and cost.


 

New Zealand got rid of 1 and 2c pieces back in 1990.

More importantly, we're getting rid of 5c pieces. Right now, actually. Phase out begins 31st July. They're also making the existing coins smaller/lighter to reduce labour costs. And it will be a big difference, I've worked in the cash office at my old work and hefting $50 bags worth of 10-50c coins gets tiresome pretty quick.

http://www.newcoins.govt.nz/


 

the Philippines still has 10 and 5 centavos coins, they're practically plastic and so small you can barely tell they're actual currency. You can actually float them on water.

But then what will we use at those touristy machines that for 50 cents will squish a penny flat with the kitchy impression of your tourist location? Thoughts will now cost a nickel but I guess people don't pick up pennies for good luck any more anyway.


 

Random fact:
Before the introduced the Euro, France still had 5 centime coins, which are worth about a quarter as much as an American cent.


 

I am just curious to know how they handled the logistics of phasing out the coins in the other countries. I mean, if the US government was to tell us that they were going to quit minting pennies, but not to worry they would still be legal tender, probably half the population would immediately show up at the bank with the jug of pennies that has been building since they were like 5 -not that we distrust our government or anything-. That would surely be a nightmare for the banks. How were they able to avoid, or how did they handle, such a situation?

And also, I am one of the losers that smooshes the pennies in those machines. They used to come out looking, well, copperish. Now when I do it, they come out in mixed colors, often taking me at least 5 tries to get one that I am happy with. Make the machine smoosh nickels and I will likely save money in the long run.


 

I suppose we would have to think of different ways to say:

A penny saved is a penny earned . . .

A penny for your thoughts . . .

Pennies from heaven . . .

Another day, another penny (dollar) . . .

My 2 cents worth . . .


Sigh ........


 

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