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Thursday, September 06, 2007  

Experience Required, or Preferred?


What sort of sexual experience do you want a prospective partner to have at the start of a new relationship? By that I mean, if you're constructing your hypothetical new girl/boyfriend, or evaluating the real thing, how much and what kind of sex do you want them to have had prior to you? I'll discuss it primarily from heterosexual POV since that's what I know, but gay mileage will vary, obviously.

The stereotype is that men want a woman to be a virgin. I have no idea how common that desire actually is, and how it breaks down by age range (I can't imagine too many 40 y/o men looking for a woman in their age range give the faintest thought to her being a virgin.) but it's the stereotype, thanks to old fashioned American males and fanatical male Islamic suicide bombers. Do real men want a virgin, though? The (stereotypical?) male desire for a virgin seems to me to stem largely from insecurity; if she's never had sex before she won't know if you're any good or not, if your dick is small, etc. You'll be the best she's ever had!

Personally, I can't imagine wanting a virgin. I wouldn't want to date a porn star, retired or otherwise, but I would want a woman to know what she was doing in bed, and to know what she wanted done to her. That being said, I'm self-serving enough to not want her to have been with so many guys that I'd would just be one more for the list, or so many that I'd inevitably fail to measure up, by tactics or equipment.

How "experienced" breaks down into actual numbers, or events, is another question. It would scale by age as well, but not necessarily on a steady parabolic line. I kind of expect a woman would have more sexual partners from 18-24 (or so) than from 25-30, when she'd more likely be settling into mature, monogamous relationship(s). That's not true for everyone, of course, but we're dealing with hypotheticals and generalizations. You could also consider what type of sex. How do you rate "got drunk and sucked off a guy at a party" vs. "two month dating/screwing?" The later is a lot more sex, both by activity and frequency, but I'd figure the random blowjob'er as more likely to do that sort of thing again (with someone other than me) and that she'd therefore not be someone I could trust.

I suppose it also depends on what you want to come of your "relationship;" assuming you even want one. Are you looking to marry her, do you demand monogamy, or do you just want a friend with benefits and don't give a damn what she does with her vagina when you're not in town? The more extreme case would be random casual sex, like picking someone up in a bar, and in that case I can't believe a guy would even give it a thought. I've never been interested in one-night stand type sex, but if a guy were, wouldn't he have to assume a woman willing to engage in that had done it before, and frequently?


Of course this is only half of the equation, and the rather sexist half at that. I'm reminded of the surveys on sexual experience, when the average man claims something lke 40 partners, and the average woman about 8. I'm just making those numbers up and not citing any particular survey, but the numbers are always skewed like that, with men having far more partners than women. It's fairly obvious that that's mathematically impossible, unless the survey is taking the medium instead of the mean, and even then you'd need a not insignificant percentage of women reporting porn star type numbers to average things out.

How do we explain the survey discrepancies? Easy answer: everyone's lying, and they're lying to correspond with (American/Western) societal expectations. Women are supposed to be "good girls" and not give it up (much), and men are supposed to be studs and plow many a field, and then brag about it to survey-takers.

That does not delve into the original issue though, which is ideal hypothetical partner experience, from the female POV. Is there a clear stereotype of what a woman wants? It's not a virgin; I've never heard that one, and to the contrary, most women want a man who knows what he's doing and who can sweep her off her feet. That most men are (from what women have told me) fairly awful at sex, is not the point. It's perhaps assumed that a virgin will be awful, and awfully quick, but she can at least hope for competence from a man with a reasonable amount of experience. Not too much experience, though. Women are clearly prone to giving it up to "players" (literally, professional athletes), or rock stars, or movie actors, or other celebrities, that's not the type of guy a woman is hypothesizing as her ideal for a relationship. Women want to sleep with Brad Pitt, or whoever the hot rock/rap star of the day is (I so do not know, and honestly, Brad's probably older than young women want now anyway.) but are they thinking about marrying him? Maybe an actor, but rock stars and jocks are notorious for having Wilt Chamberlain-sized appetites, and while a woman might indulge her groupie urges once or twice, few want to marry a man they know will cheat (constantly) on them.

So, the average woman, looking for a real, non-celebrity man, for a relationship. How much experience does she want him to have? Not a virgin, but not a pre-AIDS Magic Johnson either. Is there a number? I have no idea. I suppose a higher number could be romantic in some way, as a woman might like to think that she's tamed him or she's so good that he settled down for her, when he just fucked 'em and left 'em previously. I don't think too many women are delusional enough to believe that in real life, though, dogs that most men are.

Another issue is what type of relationship the past sex was part of. I was talking to a female friend about this, and she pointed out that, at least from her perspective, a man who'd had one or more LTRs was much more desirable than one who'd been single and/or bed hopping for years.


Finally, I realize that I'm simplifying the whole desired aspect, since I haven't allowed for types of sex (if you're into bondage, you'd obviously want a partner open to that), and more fundamentally, I haven't clarified what people want from a partner's sexual history. It's easy to answer the question in terms of "how good will they be at the physical mechanics of sex," but that's not really the issue, in many/most cases. For lots of people, men and (especially?) women, the new partner's sexual/relationship history is more about how and why, than what and when.

I suppose if I had to make a pick and there were two identical women who hadn't been whores/porn stars in their previous lives, I'd want the one who had a bit more sexual experience, and who I thought could therefore be more fun in the sack. That's an entirely artificial scenario though, since no two people are exactly the same, and even if they were, the one who'd had more sex would not be magically more promiscuous without changing anything else. Having more or less sex isn't like eating chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla; it's an outward manifestation of internal values and beliefs that would color many other things about this hypothetical woman, for good or ill.

So, now that I've grossly elaborated on this seemingly simple question, and perhaps rendered the whole point moot with my final paragraph, I'm curious what my (hypothetical) readers think? If you're creating your hypothetical partner (pretend your single if you're not, and this isn't a perfect dream individual, but someone at least a bit realistic) how much and what kind of sex have they had? Please state your gender and desired age range, for the record.

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21 y/o male reporting in, and I'd want someone roughly my age (let's say within 3 years of me) who lacked any experience outside of "LTR sex." Frankly, it doesn't matter to me outside the possibility of her carrying some vile diseases from some stud in a bar. I'd like to think anybody in a long term relationship would be free of the worst of what nature has to offer in that department, so that's where my figure came from.


 

I like them young, 16 to 21. They should only have had sex a couple of times, to cut down the likelihood of disease. I am a dirty old man!


 

one may suggest that that desire for a 'virgin' has nothing to do with insecurity and everything to do with youngness (think of how popular BARELY LEGAL porn is) as well as innocence (hence the HER FIRST TIME porn videos, that try and emphasize how much of an angel she is).

18 y/o man, and my range stems from 16-21, with a bit of hesitation towards those that sleep around a lot, since that suggests "loose moral fibre" as a victorian might put it


 

I think your definition of partner for the question is a little too vague. Since I am married, I immediately assume that the question is along the lines of "If you were going to go bang someone behind your wife's back..." and that being the case, I would be looking for a woman with a lot of experience and few inhibitions -being purely hypothetical, since IRL I would fear disease from such a woman. The reasoning here is that if I am going outside my marriage, I am going to be looking for a woman that will do things that my wife won't do, or that I wouldn't even ask her to.

If the question is what kind of experience am I looking for in a LTR if I wasn't married, that gets a much different answer. While sex is great and I do enjoy it, a woman's ability in the sack is going to be way, way down the list of attributes I am looking for in a LTR. In fact I don't think experience would even be on the list. As long as she has the correct parts and at least a passing knowledge of how to use them, I could live with it. This is a woman who is going to essentially be your business partner for the duration of a LTR and her intelligence and moral fiber are far more important than the ability to tie knots with her tongue.

To get to the spirit of the question. If two women were absolutely identical in every other way, I would probably prefer a woman who had had fewer partners. I'm not really sure why. Maybe just because I hate the thought of other men touching the woman I am with. And the more men she has been with, the more I will think about it, or something.


 

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