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Elections, Politics, and the Sliding Scale of Judging Human Performance
Labels: john mccain, politics, sarah palin
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A furious Democratic congress that refuses to work with a President McCain? Don't count on it. Let's not forget that the Democrats completely caved on the telecom amnesty issue after insisting that they wouldn't. This was at the behest of a lame-duck president with approval ratings dipping into the high 20s. Also, plenty of the Democratic pickups in the last midterm election (and in this upcoming one?) were / are going to be conservative types who don't care much for Pelosi and her ilk. I'm sure they'd be happy to work with McCain, who has a certain history of bipartisanship, regardless of the right-wing party line he's pushing now. Besides, he will (probably) be more of a moderate if elected.
In fact, there doesn't seem to be much of a point in having a Democratic Congress instead of a Republican one. Sure, these guys will make more of a fuss along the way, but in the end, the results are about the same. See also: Congress' approval rating. "You get the government you deserve." We'll find out what that looks like in November.
I don't really know that much about Obama's bio. I know he lived abroad when he was very young, and that his mom was poor and he earned scholarships and pulled himself up by talent and hard work. Kind of the anti-Dubya. He worked his way up through local politics in Chicago, and got elected senator there.
He's clearly not that experienced on the international stage, but the US never elects anyone experienced anymore. The last what 5 or 6 presidents were governors? This election is very unusual with a senator going to win, one way or the other. The key thing that differentiates Obama from Palin is that he earned his spot. He formed a very well-run organization, he campaigned his ass off, and he beat Hillary in a tight race when she was heavily favored at the start. In the process he spent many months under the media glare and has been fully investigated and all the mud that can be thrown was, and little of it stuck. If Palin had been running for president for a year, and had won primaries and convinced people she was qualified for the highest office, I don't think there would be so much media buzz about her now. There would have been when she was first gaining prominence, and she would have sunk or swum at that point based on her own skills. That didn't happen. McCain plucked her from obscurity, despite the fact that he hardly even knew her and his staff had hardly vetted her. It's a wildly reckless choice, made purely to try to boost his support from the fundies, and to steal white women away from Obama's camp. And it looks very successful in that attempt, but that doesn't make it any less cynical or foolish. It's not like he wants her to be some ambassador or serve in his cabinet; he wants her to be the VP, and it's not like McCain is 50 and healthy. He's an old ass man, and he's had a lot of health issues. He'll be the oldest first term president ever, if elected. I don't think he's going to drop dead, but I can't envision any scenario in which he doesn't miss at least a fewmonths of service to various medical issues. Which means the 2nd in command is far more important in this election than most of them. Cheney was scary, dangerous, and wielded far too much influence, but at least Bush was still in his prime. Even if I were neutral on the policy issues, I'd have a really hard time voting for McCain at this point. I loved my grandparents, but I hardly trusted them driving a car when they were in their 70s. And they hadn't suffered through years of aging in dog years while in military prison in Vietnam.
Palin is stupid. Did you see the Gibson interview? She didn't have any clue what she was talking about (Bush Doctrine what?), and her answers were clearly coached. She doesn't know her ass from apples.
I'm through electing folksy stupid people. The Iraq war's failure was caused by Bush's complete ignorance... "Sunnis? Shites? I thought they were all Muslim!" She was choosen for purely political reasons.. and her tits and lipstick. The thought of her actually running the country is uber scary. We don't need folksy idiots... we need SMART PEOPLE. WE NEED PEOPLE WHO KNOW SHIT, who cares if they appear "elitist". Don't you want someone running the country who is smarter than you?
Anon #2 here (I don't log in because it boots me off of my custom google home page whenever I do)
You're free to like or dislike Palin as you will, but what gets me is the inexperience angle...she's got infinitely more governing experience than Obama -- in fact, she's got more governing experience than anybody else on either ticket combined. She's actually been elected and re-elected into more than one office, something again Obama lacks (he ran unopposed into his current seat, you remember). What I find amusing is how the move is being derided as purely political (which it was) while people say that Obama SHOULD have made the purely political move of selecting Hilary as his running mate. Like it or not, this is a popularity contest. One which Obama was winning hands-down until McCain started picking up his dropped balls.
Anonyn #1 or #2 (technically I was 2nd)
It doesn't matter how much experience she has managing Alaska. That's not my point. My point is that she is stupid. She was clearly ignorant of world affairs in the only interview that I've seen her give. Does she know anything outside of moose-dressing and shotgun marriages? Obama has a smart and thoughtful leadership style. While that doesn't necessarily preclude him from making mistakes, this is what we need right now after the "govern from the gut" kind of leadership we've had for the last 8 years. Palin represents this in its purest form, and I fear if she is ever called upon to be president. We can't have idiots running the country.
You're anon #1 (I don't know how you'd be two, seeing as how your comment appears first...); I'm #2
CONFUZZLED YET?!? To your comment, stupid or not, she knows how to govern people better than anybody else on the ticket. 60%+ approval ratings through 4 elections say pretty compellingly that she's doing something right, no matter how stupid she may be to you. On foreign policy, it is my opinion that Obama and the left in general are ignorant of the dangers facing this country. Bush certainly didn't do things right, mind you, but Obama's suggestions would undermine some very tentative victories we're fostering on multiple fronts. In a word, his foreign policy is stupid. So we have come to a crossroads: who is the stupid one? Gauging stupidity as a proportion of someone's agreement with your position is NOT the way to go about measuring it. If you disagree with the Republicans' position on foreign policy, then don't vote for them. But calling them stupid will do little more than turn off any ear that doesn't already agree with you, not to mention outing you as a radical partisan. And since the media has alienated just about every woman in the nation over this Palin fiasco, closing ears and rabid partisanship should not be your goal if you truly want to see Obama's goals enacted.
You know you guys can sign a damn name when you post. You don't have to use a blogger ID; just write an alias in the comment box, the way we did in the prehistoric days of the internet, before user DBs existed!
Hmmm alright I'm anon #1... but I think there be more than 2 of us at work here...
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4 elections? She has been governor for 2 years so the first 3 elections must have been for mayor in her hometown of 9,000. I was basing my opinion of her stupidity on relatively objective standards. In the Charlie Gibson interview she demonstrated a complete ignorance of world affairs. She was clueless when he mentioned "bush doctrine," and she gave repeatedly scripted answers when asked about Israel. It seemed like Bush all over again - deer in the headlights look and everything. Iraq turned out to be a crapfest because Bush knows nothing about other cultures and filled his administration with religious jesus freaks. So no it's not relative. Obama is smarter than Bush/Palin. Do you really have any doubt that if you put them on jeopardy, Obama would fkin kick their asses? True, there is more to governing than just worldliness, but as Bush demonstrated, right now ignorance of the world is truly dangerous. ArchivesMay 2005 June 2005 July 2005 August 2005 September 2005 October 2005 November 2005 December 2005 January 2006 February 2006 March 2006 April 2006 May 2006 June 2006 July 2006 August 2006 September 2006 October 2006 November 2006 December 2006 January 2007 February 2007 March 2007 April 2007 May 2007 June 2007 July 2007 August 2007 September 2007 October 2007 November 2007 December 2007 January 2008 February 2008 March 2008 April 2008 May 2008 June 2008 July 2008 August 2008 September 2008 October 2008 November 2008 December 2008 January 2009 February 2009 March 2009 April 2009 May 2009 June 2009 July 2009 August 2009 September 2009 October 2009 November 2012
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